Goodbye Pontiac

Jet Black · Post by **Jet Black** » Mon Apr 27, 2009 10:43 am

Well, Pontiac is now dead. I just can't believe it. What is happening to this country? I just can't believe it. I wonder what's going to happen to all the poor single Pontiac dealers.

Force Commander · Post by **Force Commander** » Mon Apr 27, 2009 12:27 pm

Hey, no fair! This should have been added to the Looks like GM...... thread so we can keep that one going forever!

AmpedNow · Post by **AmpedNow** » Mon Apr 27, 2009 1:10 pm

Pontiac had a few hits... Lord knows how many Grand Ams I've seen on the road.

Their G cars were not too bad, but somewhat overpriced.

The one model they would be stupid to let go of is the Vibe. It competes directly with the Toyota Matrix. And, from what I've read, it's every bit as good. There is nothing else GM makes that fills this niche.

They might rename it and move it to the Chevy line.

Big Media · Post by **Big Media** » Mon Apr 27, 2009 1:36 pm

AmpedNow wrote:Their G cars were not too bad, but somewhat overpriced.

I looked at buying a Pontiac for only about :30 seconds because they are so overpriced.

AmpedNow wrote:The one model they would be stupid to let go of is the Vibe. It competes directly with the Toyota Matrix.

They are one and the same, except for cosmetics and price. The Vibe is actually higher.

Arp2 · Post by **Arp2** » Mon Apr 27, 2009 2:22 pm

Big Media wrote:
AmpedNow wrote:The one model they would be stupid to let go of is the Vibe. It competes directly with the Toyota Matrix.
They are one and the same, except for cosmetics and price. The Vibe is actually higher.

...and the resale value lower, I believe.

Mike · Post by **Mike** » Mon Apr 27, 2009 11:13 pm

And Obama is about to take majority ownership... Which means GM will be THE maker of eco-trabants. IE: golf carts that won't get you where you want to go, but where you do go it will be unsafe at any speed.

Jet Black · Post by **Jet Black** » Mon Apr 27, 2009 11:20 pm

I just wrote a big diatribe on this, then didn't post it because it was such a ramble. But Mitt Romney said it when Congress was considering the first auto bailout back in November, and I believe it will be true: If the free market was not interfered with, GM would file chapter 11 and reorganize, and survive probably. But with the bailout, it will allow government interference, and GM as an auto manufacturer in the United States will disappear in five years. Goodbye, Pontiac; so long General Motors, and to paraphrase Demo Dick, Sharkman Of The Delta, Herro Crusterfruck.

CoolBreeze · Post by **CoolBreeze** » Tue Apr 28, 2009 7:03 am

See this post: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=16784&p=150591#p150591

cgarison · Post by **cgarison** » Tue Apr 28, 2009 8:58 am

CoolBreeze wrote:See this post: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=16784&p=150591#p150591

At least you picked a picture of the much improved "Lutz Revised" Aztek to offer up in your post. My eyes are still burning with all the images of the first year Aztek on every other site on the web.

FWIW: The Aztek was a ground breaking, earth shattering car. The problem is that every other car manufacturer did a better job at creating their first CUV's. Even GM did much better with the Acadia/Enclave/Outlook/Traverse.

Four brands and distribution channels for the same product? Well, there's your problem GM.

Big Media · Post by **Big Media** » Tue Apr 28, 2009 9:45 am

As ugly as that vehicle is, it is actually a pretty decent vehicle, I am told.

The Acadia kicks ass. I would love to have one. As soon as I sign the dotted line, gas would go back to $4.29/gallon.

Bar Rat · Post by **Bar Rat** » Tue Apr 28, 2009 10:17 am

I've owned a Pontiac since 1996 and the one I have now is still going strong.

Anyone know what Pontiac stands for??

Bob Campbell · Post by **Bob Campbell** » Tue Apr 28, 2009 10:29 am

The city in Michigan where they used to make them. It's a northern suburb of Detroit. Remember the Pontiac Silverdome where the Lions and Pistons used to play?

Bar Rat · Post by **Bar Rat** » Tue Apr 28, 2009 11:19 am

Bob Campbell wrote:The city in Michigan where they used to make them. It's a northern suburb of Detroit. Remember the Pontiac Silverdome where the Lions and Pistons used to play?

Perhaps

I heard it really stands for Poor Old N****r Thinks It's A Cadillac

Scott Reppert · Post by **Scott Reppert** » Tue Apr 28, 2009 12:21 pm

My Uncle owned a Pontiac dealership in Weston. He's dead.

fearpeddler · Post by **fearpeddler** » Tue Apr 28, 2009 12:45 pm

Bar Rat wrote:
Bob Campbell wrote:The city in Michigan where they used to make them. It's a northern suburb of Detroit. Remember the Pontiac Silverdome where the Lions and Pistons used to play?
Perhaps

I heard it really stands for Poor Old N****r Thinks It's A Cadillac

lol havent heard that one in about 10 years

Jet Black · Post by **Jet Black** » Tue Apr 28, 2009 1:31 pm

The Aztek was everything that was wrong with Pontiac. Let's build an outdoor adventure mobile with 2WD only and 14-inch pie plate wheels. Great idea, then make sure it's really, really ugly. The Vibe was a good save, but the people involved with the Aztek should have been cashiered, but they weren't.

AmpedNow · Post by **AmpedNow** » Tue Apr 28, 2009 2:22 pm

The Aztek was one of those love it or hate it vehicles. I loved it, because it was different. But didn't love it enough to get one.

As for these CUVs that are popping up everywhere... What the hell?

I'd rather have an actual SUV.

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