Good too see...

[SHADOW]

Arp... is that really you in picture? Who does your hair?

[cgarison]

Here's a nickle's worth of jack squat: Employers and potential employers DO check out your MySpace and Facebook before extending you an offer. I do this myself. Don't thing by setting your profile to "private" that you will somehow prevent this. I always find a way in if I am serious about hiring you.

There are two other people in my field in Philly with my name. 5 additional in the United States. I am pretty glad we are all pretty professional about this stuff otherwise I would be in deep stuff when I went out looking for a gig.

And Facebook lessons can be learned pretty quickly. One miss-tweet to you facebook status can have people from all over the place asking you about the future of their job, the company, or whatever else is on their mind about the dynamics of the status quo. I try to keep things pretty generic and tweet only about software/tax laws/sports/beer. That is about it. Anything else is just an annoyance when people ask questions.

[Lester]

When did "the truth" become "swift boating"?

I guess when you could no longer rely on the media to stop handing out endorsements and report on BOTH SIDES of the campaign?

Walter Cronkite should burn in hell.

[Arp2]

See how easy that is?
Your "laws" are shoes that can easily fit both feet comfortably.

Nonsense...there are these little things called "observable reality" and "IOCO" ("Intuitively Obvious to the Casual Observer") that disprove what you claim.

But I'm not surprised you tried to say it....

Arp’s Law – The foundation of liberalism is the lie, and the very nature of its practice is deception.

Arp’s Corollary – Liberals cannot not lie!

The Second Corollary to Arp's Law – Liberals are so immersed in falsehood that they are unable to even recognize truth as being what it is.

What kind of Swift Boat political goonery can we expect...

I have no idea, but let's remind everybody about one thing:

The Swift Boat guys just told the truth. They were there; they saw what really happened.

They just told the truth, and Kerry's lifelong efforts to puff himself up were blown out of the water...so to speak.


So I actually do hope we have something held in reserve....and, as long as it's the truth, I'll be thrilled to see 'em do something with it.

As long as it's the truth. And there's a ton of it available with this guy. This has all been like a magic act...the truth of what's happening is kept hidden so that all anyone sees is the desired illusion.

See, HD, you keep thinking I'm loyal to people or parties....as foreign a concept as it is to you, truth is the only side I'm interested in and will ever take.

And there's not one iota of it on the left.

But we don't do politics here. Don't make me moderate yer @$$....

[Arp2]

Arp... is that really you in picture? Who does your hair?

If you have a DVR of some kind, go to it, pull up the schedule, find WGN, go to midnight eastern (1:30a after this week), locate Corner Gas, set for "season pass" or "entire series" or whatever.....all will soon make sense.

[AmpedNow]

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[Hoosier Daddy]

When did "the truth" become "swift boating"?

It wasn't the truth. That's the whole point.

If the Swift Boat guys had such an issue with John Kerry, why did they remain quiet for 30 years, then jump to the national stage when he ran for President, then convienently disappear after Kerry lost? It just doesn't pass the credibility test. Of course, having Karl Rove (or an operative) slip you some money under the table greases the skids on such a theatrical production, and, as your GOP spin artists love to say, an accusation doesn't have to be true to inflict the intended damage. Unfortunately, the GOP has been winning elections with these dirty tactics since at least 2000. My hope is that the American voters will wash their hands of that whole dirty, diabolical, 'win-at-any-cost-regardless-of-how-corrupt-we-need-to-be' Republican election mentality by electing Barack Obama and Joe Biden and those 60 seats in Congress. A little political bitch-slap, if you will.

I thought John McCain was against dirty tricks and negativity in political campaigning? Couldn't prove it by me.

I guess when you could no longer rely on the media to stop handing out endorsements and report on BOTH SIDES of the campaign?

Get back to me after you reform FOX News, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Bill O'Reilly, Ann Coulter, Matt Drudge and the rest of your hired goon shit slingers.

FOX News (TV and website) have been a rolling, 24 hour a day FREE advertising platform for John McCain and Sarah Palin since they were your party's nominees. I've watched it myself. The other outlets (CNN, NSNBC, CBS, ABC, et. al. -- you know, the "damn liberal media" ) has been far more fair and balanced in coverage for both candidates than your beloved FOX. I've never seen a network wear their political orientation on their sleeve as a badge of honor like FOX does every day.

You know, maybe that's the problem. Youse guys are tainted and your brains are pickled from a steady stream of FOX, Drudge, and Limbaugh as your only sources of news and information. I'm buying all of you a subscription to Mother Jones and Rolling Stone for Christmas.

Diversity, you know ...

[Hoosier Daddy]

But we don't do politics here. Don't make me moderate yer @$$....

You're not the only one with a Moderator button, Arp.

[AmpedNow]

I have found CNN to be a happy medium between flag-waving FOX and MoveOn MSNBC.

k thnx

[Big Media]

SamC and Spike in particular need to come out of lurkdom and contribute. God knows we need some new insight.

[Arp2]

Well, HD's learned his script's lines well....wonder if he ever thinks for himself??!

Probably too busy "feeling"....

...or rabble-rousing....er, "orgainzing."

But we don't do politics here. Don't make me moderate yer @$$....

You're not the only one with a Moderator button, Arp.

Um, yeah....that was the obvious joke?

You know....with the laughy face and everything....?

[Dave Loudin]

Yes Arp, popcorn is a veggie...slather some butter on it and there is
your dairy!

Alas, lactose-intollerant!


Popcorn (undigestable fiber) and dairy....what a colon blow that would be!

One word: acidophilus. Take some in the morning and you're good all day.

[SHADOW]

Arp2.... Please consider the following:

Balance is not enough

This is not a "right" or a "left" thing. It's not even a "center" thing. News is not truer
just because it gives equal weight to two extremes. Imagine if a journalist reporting from
Nazi Germany in the 1930s had said that some people liked Hitler, some hated him, and the
truth "lay in the middle." In retrospect, we would question his dedication to journalistic
standards, because sometimes the truth lies closer to one end.

We need better criteria than mere balance for evaluating the truth of news statements,
criteria that lie outside any framework or worldview. Can such criteria exist? They already
do. Journalism schools have been refining and teaching them for two centuries. Until recently,
journalists held one another to these standards.

It's just that now, problematically, our allegiance to a common truth has eroded. The
major network news programs have lost so much audience share that they're just media
businesses like any other, clawing for customers. The once-mighty newspapers of record
are now targets of derision to some: Just last week, in Nevada, one of the presidential
candidates derided the New York Times and sent the crowd into a long frenzy of cheering.
Market forces and the proliferation of news outlets have fragmented the truth into a feudal
landscape of warring camps. In this environment, politicians who run against the media are
not bringing us together under one set of rules and restoring fair play; they’re more like
referees jumping fist first into the free-for-all.

Peer review

Not that any legal or political measure can restore objectivity to the news. Politicians
can only help by getting out of the way, because our only hope, I submit, lies in some
version of the peer-review model used so effectively in science.

When scientists critique one another's work, they focus purely on methodology. Journalism
be labeled biased because it's too favorable to X or too harsh to Y. In theory, we should
be able to evaluate the validity of a news statement without even knowing what it says, so
long as we know how the journalist arrived at it.

To make this model work, however, we have to agree as a public that delivering objective
news takes some sort of expertise.

We've had that agreement in the past. Two centuries ago, journalism was in much the same
state as it is today: News came only from broadsheets slapped up by anyone with a message to
shout and access to ink. There was no higher standard to appeal to.



What is such a body but the media elite?

Just sayin'... dude!

[Schaffer]

Wow, what a kick ass thread! I was logging on to say you guys were a little harsh on this Nick scott guy for his last thread. Damn if I didn't change my tune. This kid went batshit crazy faster than my Hummer can suck down a gallon of gas. I've been on this board for seven years, and know most of your on-line personalities. Some of you come off as annoying (ARP 2), and as smart ass know it alls (lester and others). I don't post very often because most of my buddys from WV seem to have drifted away from the board, and there seems to be far more TV topics than there used to be. That being said, this is still a social community for many of you, and one should know better than to come in here guns blazing. Just wanted to give you my thoughts......don't kill me.

Now, on to this Nick Scott character.

1. Came off as a total crybaby bitch.
2. Even mentioning a lawyer over something like this is SUPER DUPER ULTRA BITCH.
3. If you're up for any job, or job promotion (I've talked to my GM about a talk show on our AM...bla bla bla), you keep your damn mouth shut about it. I know his GM very well and worked for him for years, he wouldn't like that at all.
4. I visit the old BBC every time I come home, and because of this nut's crazy catladylike ranting, I'll never be able to take him seriously when introduced.
5. Come fight me????????????? Dude, seriously.....you must not be from WV. Kidd Connely will kill someone for a half drank bottle of Jameson. Be careful, you never know what crazy fucker is reading your nonsence. That, and to even say that shit is soooooooooo sixth grade, it makes me want to beat you out of principal.
6. It's not the nerds with 10,000 posts you need to worry about, it's the guys who are far too busy running radio stations, that pop on here every now and then. You my friend are now in the internet message board "batshit crazy wall of fame"

Have a great day!

[The People's DJ]

[Arp2]

Arp2.... Please consider the following:

Hunh? Weren't we talking about Corner Gas, exclusively in America on WGN America...?

Balance is not enough

...News is not truer just because it gives equal weight to two extremes....We need better criteria than mere balance for evaluating the truth of news statements...

Isn't that what I've always said? "True" is true only if and when it's true. The "other side" is false and is entirely unnecessary...damaging, actually.

It's just that now, problematically, our allegiance to a common truth has eroded.

Kinda....but the words "a common" in there screw up the statement. Truth is truth regardless of wide reporting, acceptance, or agreement. "Our allegiance to truth has eroded" -- that works.

Market forces and the proliferation of news outlets have fragmented the truth into a feudal landscape of warring camps.

Not true....truth cannot be fragmented and remain truth. I would suggest "fragmented truth" is actually what we refer to as "factoids."

In this environment, politicians who run against the media are not bringing us together under one set of rules and restoring fair play; they’re more like referees jumping fist first into the free-for-all.

Well, good for them! Believing that you can "bring us together under one set of rules and restore fair play" is a ridiculous notion if the lying, cheating, rulebreakers are allowed in the game at all! Permanently kick them out and keep them out....then, we can play.

Peer review

Oh, gosh, no!

...the peer-review model used so effectively in science.

Sounds like a great idea, but it's not always the case.

When scientists critique one another's work, they focus purely on methodology.

Therein lies the problem -- few, if any, question the foundations and assumptions going in. If all of the assumptions are truly scientific laws completely devoid of theories, hypotheses, and guesses, then fine. Otherwise, peer review is insufficient.

In theory, we should be able to evaluate the validity of a news statement without even knowing what it says, so long as we know how the journalist arrived at it.

In theory, we should be able to eat Snickers bars and nothing but Snickers bars without even reading labels or worrying because we all know that the methodology behind Snickers bars has been arrived at by the combining of carbohydrates, proteins, and fats that will break right back down into carbohydrates, proteins, and fats in the stomach just like all other good foods.

Not make sense? Neither did the first statement. Sounded good, though.

See, it matters what "the stuff" actually is, not just the methodology involved in putting it together into something else.

To make this model work, however, we have to agree as a public that delivering objective
news takes some sort of expertise.

Fine.....as long as it's me that's the expert defining "expertise."

Those committed to truth, however, don't necessarily need some ober-fuhrer or whatever of expertise; they can "just report" what "is" in its full and accurate context, and their reporting will turn out...true. Imagine that.

[Arp2]

One word: acidophilus. Take some in the morning and you're good all day.

Really? I have some of that!

Saw it in a store and thought it seemed somewhat logical as a chaser after starting an antibiotic....

[Lee]

wOW!

There's like....50 different topics in this ONE thread! That has to be some sort of WV Radio Message Board record!

Yeah Nick, stick around! I too have been attacked and fought back. It happens. But everyone loves each other on here, in a non-gay way (dunno about Dave and Nunley). Sometimes we get lucky and Rocky gives us a table dance....when we get REALLY lucky Cameron joins in!

[Bob Campbell]

Wow! Awesome. Did we even get a hot dog mention in here?
Best....thread....ever.

Nick, go ask your morning guy who's the highest rated morning show there ever.
Best afternoon guy there ever...we all know it's Billy Shahan.

Arp, don't worry. You'll get eight years to whine about President Obama. I'm only voting for him because Ashley Judd was supposed to be on with what's his name.

[AC Carter]

Bob
I had a Stewart's hot dog with sauce and on-yonns just yesterday. However, Stewart's has nothing on a grilled Hebrew National with AC's secret sauce! IMHO
By the by, WHO did have the highest-rated morning show ever at Nick Scott's station? Hmmmm.