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Channel 11.2?

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I found a channel (125) cryptically identified as TCN on Suddenlink cable this weekend, and much to my delight, it was all country videos. Yes, a satellite video channel that actually plays videos instead of reality tv and bullriding - The Country Network

But then, an ID overlay proclaimed it to be channel 11.2.

So, it this what they're planning to do with the second HD channel - play country videos? It's nice to have a video channel which actually plays videos, but the audio is noticeably inferior to VH1 Country and GAC (when they're playing videos).

Up a couple channels, there's another video channel called "Cool' on 128. Is this another HD subchannel? And why are they both hidden in the middle of the Suddenlink HD offerings, but have such poor audio and video?

Not being critical here - just wondering, and curious if this is transitional programming, or what? :?
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Yep, TCN is The Country Network, and is the .2 for WVAH.

Cool is The Cool TV, and is the .2 for WCHS.

Still no sub-channels for WOWK (aside from the 24/7 Doppler) or WQCW, and that's a waste.
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It's great for them to to get the channels up and running! But the video almost looks like it's from broadband streaming, and the audio sounds like mp3s. And it's not in HD on Suddenlink - I haven't dragged out my HD converter to see what it's like over the air.
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In most cases, subchannels are 480i standard definition. Depending on how a station wants to allocate bits between streams, these can look like YouTube.

8 and 11 are not the only stations with extra channels. Here's a bigger list (excerpted from rabbitears.info):

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Channel    Video     Audio      Call Sign     Network/Programming  Nickname                   Hours
03-1         1080i      DD5.1     WSAZ-HD      NBC                           "WSAZ NewsChannel 3" 
03-2           480i      DD2.0     My Z TV       MyN                           "My Z TV"                    (12a-04p)
03-2           480i      DD2.0     My Z TV       This TV                      "My Z TV"                    (04p-12a)	 

08-1 		720p		DD5.1 	WCHS-DT	             ABC 	                                        "WCHS-TV 8" 
08-2		480i		DD2.0 	                          The Cool TV 	 

11-1 		720p		DD5.1 	WVAH-DT	             FOX 	                                        "WVAH Fox 11" 
11-2		480i		DD2.0 	                          The Country Network 	 

25-1 		720p		DD5.1 	KET	                  PBS 	                                        "KET" 
25-2		480i		DD2.0 	KET2	                  PBS Encore 	                                "KET2" 
25-3 		480i		DD2.0 	KET KY	          Kentucky Channel 	                        "KET KY" 

29-1		720p		DD2.0 	ION	                     ION 	 
29-2		480i		DD2.0 	qubo               	    qubo 	 
29-3		480i		DD2.0 	IONLife	            ION Life

33-1 		480i		DD2.0 	WPBY-D1	            PBS 	                                        "WV PBS"
33-2		480i		DD2.0 	WPBY-D2	           Create 	                                        "WV PBS.2" 
33-3 	      1080i		                WPBY-HD	            PBS 	                                        "WV PBS" 

42-1 	      1080i		DD2.0 	WPBO-HD	            PBS 	                                        "WOSU HD" 
42-2 		480i		DD2.0 	WPBO-D1	           Ohio Channel                           	"WOSU Ohio" 
42-3		480i		DD2.0 	WPBO-D2	           Create 	                                        "WOSU Plus" 
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Seeing that list proves my point.

Ion is Ion... they're doing what they've done for a long time.

Public television offerings are good, but could be so much better. Like WVPBS, which wastes bandwidth by having both a 1080 and 480 of the main channel.

WSAZ has been the only station that has really realized from early on the possibilities of multicasting.

I appreciate that 8 & 11 are at least trying, but it seems they could squeeze another network on each frequency. Me TV or Antenna TV come to mind.

13 and their Doppler radar... what a waste. If they wanted to do weather right, they could turn it into a full-time 24/7 weather station. Looping forecasts and long-form coverage when sever weather hits, so as not to interrupt the CBS primetime programming.

WQCW could sure use a subchannel of something. Anything.

There are plenty of specialty .2 networks to choose from. Why won't they take chances and at least try something?
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Country isn't my type of music, usually, but it's good to see that these subchannels are getting used somehow.
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NATPE 2012
Multicasters: Stations Leave Millions Behind
Even in small markets, broadcasters are generating up to $1 million in annual revenue with a single subchannel, according to panelists at a NATPE session on multicasting.
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TVNewsCheck, January 24, 2012 7:02 AM EST

Too many TV stations are leaving millions in annual revenue on the table by not multicasting, according to three broadcasters who are not only airing digital subchannels but distributing them as well.

“We have a station in a market ranked between 75 and 80 that’s generating nearly $1 million in local revenue annually,” said Sean Compton, president of programming at the Tribune Co., which distributes classic-TV network Antenna TV. “There is money to be made.”

Agreeing with his take was Emily Barr, president-GM of ABC-owned WLS Chicago, who said her station and others, including WFAA Dallas, have been boosting revenue and ratings on ABC’s Live Well network by airing some of the channel’s programs on their main channels on the weekend. “We realized we were picking up a lot of syndicated programming to use as filler on the weekend,” she said, “but if you can do a couple of rating points on a Saturday or Sunday with a show from Live Well, you can promote the network and at the same time, bring in an advertiser on both sides” with a package of spots running on both the main channel and the subchannel.

Ratings are growing at all of Live Well’s stations, but especially at those pursuing this weekend strategy on their main channels, Barr said.

“We possess the single best promotional vehicle: our main channel,” Barr said. “We aren’t doing enough to promote our other channels with it.”

Neal Sabin, president of content and networks at ME-TV and Weigel Broadcasting, suggested that subchannels “are duopolies, only you don’t have to get permission from the FCC to have one.”

Multicasting is also local broadcasting’s “best answer to local cable,” Barr said. “There’s a lot of money tied up in local cable that none of us used to see. We can sell [subchannels] to advertisers who aren’t interested in the main channel because of the cost.”

Barr and Sabin both argued that stations don’t need to pass on multicasting in order to reserve spectrum for mobile DTV. Weigel runs four SD channels and one HD channel in Chicago, and ABC stations run both their main channels and Live Well in HD without a problem. “We’re going to get to the point where spectrum is more efficient,” Barr said, “so there will be room to do it all.”

Asked whether their subchannels would always rely on direct response advertising, Barr said Live Well is “already doing some national business and properly-placed product integration because we are doing original production.

“We did a big promotion with Walgreens,” she added. “We are seeing DR, but as we see the ratings go up we are seeing more interest from other advertisers.”

Sabin said Me-TV’s advertising is “100% DR right now. When we get more distribution we’ll take a look at Nielsen and see whether we can go [the other route],” he said. “We need to decide if going after other business is worth it when the DR business is burgeoning."
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I've been watching all these sub channels ever since the switch... using an antenna. I can get at least 14 channels on a 2 foot square antenna, about 7 on rabbit ears.
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