Global Warming Anyone?

[AmpedNow]

Ol' Sex Poodle must be humping a pillow in one of his air conditioned mansions totally distraught at all of the flyover rubes who still don't get they must lose their livelihoods in order to save the planet.

Why don't they understand this???

[CoolBreeze]

"A group of 3,146 earth scientists surveyed around the world overwhelmingly agree that in the past 200-plus years, mean global temperatures have been rising,
"and that human activity is a significant contributing factor in changing mean global temperatures. Why do the rightwingers claim that its a lie?/

Because almost as many scientists have countered their findings?

Look... during the Industrial Revolution, starting in the mid 1800s, Almost every house, building, and factory burned coal. Thousands of steam engines did also. The amount of toxic waste dumped into the air over the next 75 years from coal and chemicals was most likely the pinnacle of "damage". Things have changed a lot since then. But the fact also remains that the earth has been going through cycles of heat and cold for millions of years, and will continue to do so until the end of time. The very idea that pipsqueaks like us have the power to change the temperatures of the earth reaching anything NEAR disaster is completely laughable.

[DJSHOCKLEY]

"A group of 3,146 earth scientists surveyed around the world overwhelmingly agree that in the past 200-plus years, mean global temperatures have been rising,
"and that human activity is a significant contributing factor in changing mean global temperatures. Why do the rightwingers claim that its a lie?/

Because almost as many scientists have countered their findings?

Umm...

No they don't...

They just put the spin on it but almost all agree on two things:

#1. Global warming is real

#2. That man plays a role..

The rest you can spin however u like

[genlock]

Global warming scientists got caught cooking the books.
They had to cook the books as the real data showed a cooling trend.
They lied and were caught.

[Lester]

sorry, not true.

Actually Bob, it is true. I'm not quite sure why you think deny, deny, deny makes it any less so.

And what about the scientists that DON'T think man is causing global warming, er, sorry... global CLIMATE change? They have peer review and scientific method as well...

[DJSHOCKLEY]

Sorry...

But the debate is over...

This just in today:

http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/europe/07 ... l?hpt=Sbin

[Oldiesdude]

Well let's just open another can of worms!

Coolbreeze wrote:

and will continue to do so until the end of time.

DECEMBER 21, 2012

Looks like I will save some money on Christmas presents that year.

[Bob Campbell]

sorry, not true.

Actually Bob, it is true. I'm not quite sure why you think deny, deny, deny makes it any less so.

And what about the scientists that DON'T think man is causing global warming, er, sorry... global CLIMATE change? They have peer review and scientific method as well...

From the Wall Street Journal yesterday;

A U.K. investigation concluded Wednesday that researchers at a prominent climate-change institute didn't skew science to inflate evidence of man-made global warming, but it criticized them for not sharing data and, in one instance, for presenting information in a "misleading" way.

The report is the third and largest in recent months to reach the complex conclusion about the conduct of climate scientists at the Climatic Research Unit of the U.K.'s University of East Anglia.

Taken together, the reports are in line with the 2007 conclusion by the United Nations' Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change that global warming is "unequivocal" and is "very likely" caused by human activity. But the reports collectively warn climate scientists to be more transparent in responding to critics and in explaining their methods. The latest report also notes that it isn't assessing climate science broadly.

Wednesday's report isn't likely to quiet the climate-science debate. In August, a separate scientific panel sponsored by the InterAcademy Council, a consortium of national scientific academies, is due to issue its findings following a monthslong investigation into the IPCC, which in recent months has acknowledged a few errors in its 2007 climate-science report.

The latest U.K. report resulted from the online publication in November of some 1,000 emails hacked from the University of East Anglia's computers. They appeared to show scientists at the Climatic Research Unit trying to squelch criticism of the premise that global warming is man-made.

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Chairman of the review group, Sir Muir Russell talks to the media on their findings at the Royal Institution in London, Tuesday, July 7, during the release of their report into the University of East Anglia e-mails on climate change.
.In some emails, the scientists discussed how to keep critics' papers out of prominent scientific journals. In one, the Climatic Research Unit's director, Phil Jones, talked of using a "trick" to hide a discrepancy in data that has been cited prominently as evidence of man-made climate change.

Wednesday's report, by a team of outside scientists appointed by the University of East Anglia, found that the East Anglia researchers' "rigor and honesty as scientists are not in doubt." It also found no "evidence of behavior that might undermine the conclusions of the IPCC assessments" that climate change is happening and is probably caused by humans.

But the report criticized the East Anglia climate scientists for "a consistent pattern of failing to display the proper degree of openness."

In particular, the report said, the researchers' responses to "reasonable requests for information" by outside scientists "were unhelpful and defensive."

It called an "iconic" chart the scientists constructed as evidence of man-made global warming "misleading," saying the chart didn't sufficiently explain the researchers' methods. And the report concluded that the East Anglia researchers may have deleted emails "in order to make them unavailable should a subsequent request be made for them."

Two earlier reports about the East Anglia emails reached similar conclusions. One was by U.K. lawmakers; another was by a panel of academics in conjunction with the Royal Society, Britain's national science academy. Both absolved the East Anglia researchers of skewing climate science.

Unfortunately for your point of view, there are very very few scientists who disagree with the evidence on global warming, i.e. climate change. And most of those are not climatologists.

[genlock]

An investigation by the "panel to promote climate change panic" is not valid.

They lied and were caught.

[Bob Campbell]

An investigation by the "panel to promote climate change panic" is not valid.

They lied and were caught.

This is the third investigation, all reaching the same conclusion.
Sorry, they didn't lie. Didn't happen and it doesn't matter how many times you repeat your bs, it still didn't happen.

The evidence does not support your claim.

[fearpeddler]

doesn't really support yours either...

[genlock]

An investigation by the "panel to promote climate change panic" is not valid.

They lied and were caught.

This is the third investigation, all reaching the same conclusion.
Sorry, they didn't lie. Didn't happen and it doesn't matter how many times you repeat your bs, it still didn't happen.

The evidence does not support your claim.

This is the third investigation by parties that have a vested interest in the outcome.
Ig Global Warming dosen't fly, The Grants stop.

[Bob Campbell]

An investigation by the "panel to promote climate change panic" is not valid.

They lied and were caught.

This is the third investigation, all reaching the same conclusion.
Sorry, they didn't lie. Didn't happen and it doesn't matter how many times you repeat your bs, it still didn't happen.

The evidence does not support your claim.

This is the third investigation by parties that have a vested interest in the outcome.
Ig Global Warming dosen't fly, The Grants stop.

And that's not true either. The first investigation was by the British gov't, the people who actually give out the grants. The second was by the most prestigious scientific organisation on the planet earth.
Admit it, you just don't believe in science.
Even though you're using it to post here.

[lastone]

This isn't about the climate folks! It's about the United Stated being the cause of it therefore having to pay for it! It's all about making money off the U.S.. The climate is changing because the United States poluted the atmosphere for decades and no one else has or does! (yea,right)

And Wall Street wants a piece of this so you have "cap and trade".

Make money make money make money....from the Americans.

[Bob Campbell]

This isn't about the climate folks! It's about the United Stated being the cause of it therefore having to pay for it! It's all about making money off the U.S.. The climate is changing because the United States poluted the atmosphere for decades and no one else has or does! (yea,right)

And Wall Street wants a piece of this so you have "cap and trade".

Make money make money make money....from the Americans.

Now that is one of the finest pieces of fiction I have ever read.
Seriously, Hemingway Award quality.
Oprah Book Club stuff.
Awesome.

[fearpeddler]

guys, no matter how much you prove him wrong he's just gonna throw more liberal crap at you and deny his being wrong......

[Bob Campbell]

guys, no matter how much you prove him wrong he's just gonna throw more liberal crap at you and deny his being wrong......

Sorry Sparky, but just saying "they lied" over and over again is not proof.
Proof contains evidence. None of which you have.

Like warming deniers.

[genlock]

"I've just completed Mike's Nature trick of adding in the real temps to each series for the last 20 years ... to hide the decline."

That tells the story right there.

OK, I won't say they lied. The above quote is from the head scientist at climate research center.
He admits lying in that quote.

[Bob Campbell]

"I've just completed Mike's Nature trick of adding in the real temps to each series for the last 20 years ... to hide the decline."

That tells the story right there.

OK, I won't say they lied. The above quote is from the head scientist at climate research center.
He admits lying in that quote.

Taken out of context, if you'd read the entire report, you'd see that it wasn't about that at all.

I could say "Genlock is married to a small billy goat". If I say it enough, it must be true. Right?
Look, I know it's scary when you have absolutely no control over the paradigms that define your world. Rapid change scares everybody. Hell, it scares me. But you don't have to let your fear deny the hard evidence of anything. Just because the facts don't say what we'd like them to say doesn't keep them from being facts. Heck, there was a time when it was a known fact that the sun orbited the earth, man would never fly, never go to the moon, some people are dumber because they're color is darker, you can't transmit pictures over thin air,the earth is just too big a system for humans to have any effect on it. They were, at the time, facts. But then better evidence came to light that proved those things wrong.
If better evidence were to surface saying the earth is not warming and/or humanity plays no part, I would rejoice. At this time, the best evidence and the best scientific work points to exactly the opposite. Scary, but true.

[genlock]

The scarier the better for those that are running a scam to profit from it.