Haiti: Let it sink into the sea. What a hell hole.

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Bob Campbell wrote:So you're saying you'd do exactly what the vast majority of Haitians are doing. Good for you. You're as good as they are. No better, no worse.
Lester Wrote: "Apparently not. Even New York, during the last black-out, didn't resort to armed gangs feeding on the moment. As a matter of fact, NYPD saw a DECREASE in crime that night."


#1. You cannot compare whats going on in Haiti with the NY blackout.. Not even close to the same thing...

#2. The aftermath of Katrina is a better example.. And lets just say that we did NOT see a decrease in crime during the aftermath...


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"It appears that our military is primarily responsible for keeping law and order there. How hard would it be to make them a U.S. territory?"

"Would we even want to?"


American foreign policy as it relates to Haiti, Latin America and other countries is that we conquer them economically, appoint a warlord or President that will do what is in the best interests of American buisnesses, and then kill them off whenever they are no longer useful to us... In the case that they are democratically elected, if they don't do what we want them to do, we just overthrow them and put our guys in...

Nothing new.. We have been doing it for over 100 years..

Ya see, its cheaper to appoint our own dictators, give weapons to their armies... Maybe even train them here in the United States then send them down there to do our bidding than it is to send our Marines in...
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DJSHOCKLEY wrote:#1. You cannot compare whats going on in Haiti with the NY blackout.. Not even close to the same thing...
Just as close as Haiti and 9/11. You opened that door.

DJSHOCKLEY wrote:#2. The aftermath of Katrina is a better example.. And lets just say that we did NOT see a decrease in crime during the aftermath...
You might want to research that and get back to me. Petty crime might have gone up, but violent crime was WAY down.
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Lester wrote:
DJSHOCKLEY wrote:#1. You cannot compare whats going on in Haiti with the NY blackout.. Not even close to the same thing...
Just as close as Haiti and 9/11. You opened that door.



Umm... Ur not making any sense here Les..

DJSHOCKLEY wrote:#2. The aftermath of Katrina is a better example.. And lets just say that we did NOT see a decrease in crime during the aftermath...
You might want to research that and get back to me. Petty crime might have gone up, but violent crime was WAY down.

Crime Increases in New Orleans as the City Recovers from Hurricane Katrina

WDSU-TV CORRESPONDENT: A deadly morning here in the city of New Orleans, as five teenagers are gunned down in what police are calling a gangland-style shooting.

TRYMAINE LEE, TIMES-PICAYUNE: ... been the scene of a lot of serious shootings. You've had some serious...

BETTY ANN BOWSER: Times-Picayune crime reporter Trymaine Lee said residents were horrified by the especially brutal killings.

TRYMAINE LEE: It was just such a bloody episode, it was the bloodiest episode we've had in New Orleans in over 10 years. And five at one time, I think, was pretty shocking.

BETTY ANN BOWSER: Mayor Ray Nagin and City Council President Oliver Thomas immediately called a news conference.

OLIVER THOMAS, New Orleans City Council President: If we don't have wind knocking us down, we have people, murderers shooting us down, and that is unacceptable.

BETTY ANN BOWSER: Governor Blanco was quick to respond with Guards and 60 state troopers.

GOV. KATHLEEN BLANCO (D), Louisiana: Let me be clear: Louisiana will not tolerate thugs, gangsters and criminals destroying the gains that are under way.
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American foreign policy as it relates to Haiti, Latin America and other countries is that we conquer them economically, appoint a warlord or President that will do what is in the best interests of American buisnesses, and then kill them off whenever they are no longer useful to us... In the case that they are democratically elected, if they don't do what we want them to do, we just overthrow them and put our guys in...

Nothing new.. We have been doing it for over 100 years..

Ya see, its cheaper to appoint our own dictators, give weapons to their armies... Maybe even train them here in the United States then send them down there to do our bidding than it is to send our Marines in...
Oh I see... It's the white devils of America who are responsible for killing and oppressing the tan skinned Latin American countries for centuries. To this day, our oppression is fueled by racism. Thank God for Chavez, Ortega, and Castro to stand up against the Great Satan.

Perfect example of why AA died... Who wants to hear about how bad America sucks and how we are responsible for all of the world's problems all day long?
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A group of men wielding sticks storm a food distribution center, run by Eagle Wings Foundation of West Palm Beach, Florida, at the Carrefour neighborhood, in the outskirts of Port-Au-Prince, Thursday, Jan. 21, 2010. A melee erupted at the charity's food distribution point as people broke into the storehouse, ran off with food and fought each other over the bags.
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DJSHOCKLEY Wrote:
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American foreign policy as it relates to Haiti, Latin America and other countries is that we conquer them economically, appoint a warlord or President that will do what is in the best interests of American buisnesses, and then kill them off whenever they are no longer useful to us... In the case that they are democratically elected, if they don't do what we want them to do, we just overthrow them and put our guys in...

Nothing new.. We have been doing it for over 100 years..

Ya see, its cheaper to appoint our own dictators, give weapons to their armies... Maybe even train them here in the United States then send them down there to do our bidding than it is to send our Marines in...

Ampednow Wrote:

"Oh I see... It's the white devils of America who are responsible for killing and oppressing the tan skinned Latin American countries for centuries. To this day, our oppression is fueled by racism. Thank God for Chavez, Ortega, and Castro to stand up against the Great Satan."

"Perfect example of why AA died... Who wants to hear about how bad America sucks and how we are responsible for all of the world's problems all day long?[/quote]"


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Until you learn to understand that putting words in other peoples mouths and blowing the facts that they present to you out of proportion only makes you look bad, you will never be a skilled debator in any forum..

If you would like to educate yourself about the history of out military involvment in Central America i urge you to read:
Inevitable Revolutions: The United States in Central America
by Walter LaFeber

About this title: Guatemala, Honduras, El Salvador, Nicaragua and Costa Rica are five small countries, and yet no other part of the world is more important to the US. This book explains the history of US/Central American relations, explaining why these countries have remained so overpopulated, illiterate and violent; and why US government notions of economic and military security combine to keep in place a system of Central American dependency. This second edition is updated to include new material covering the Reagan and Bush years, and the Iran/Contra affair.

If you would like to see an example of the US overthrowing a democratically elected Government because of bananas, I urge you to read:


http://www.pbs.org/frontlineworld/stori ... eline.html#
U.S.-Backed Coup, Civil War Starts
1954–1965

On July 2, 1954, the U.S.-backed coup, commanded by Guatemalan exile Colonel Carlos Castillo Armas, overthrew the democratically elected President Jacobo Arbenz. Castillo installed himself as president, and the U.S. administration cast him as a hero for his victory over communism. In September of the same year, Castillo was formally declared president. Once in office, he removed voting rights for illiterate Guatemalans and cancelled the new agrarian reform law, which forced peasants to give up their newly acquired lands. Castillo also decreed a Preventive Penal Law against Communism, which led to the arbitrary arrest of individuals labeled as communists. The regime imprisoned thousands of people indefinitely, allowing them no right of appeal. Meanwhile, resentment began to surface of the CIA's role in toppling the alleged communist-backed government of Arbenz and Guatemalans protested during Vice President Richard M. Nixon’s trip to South America in 1958.

The coup set the stage for Guatemala's long and brutal civil war, which officially began in 1960 -- fueled by a broad polarization between rich and poor in the country. Government military forces and right-wing militias battled leftist rebels, mostly Mayan insurgents, who were fighting for economic and social justice.

Government-backed militias largely acted as death squads, creating terror in the Guatemalan population with forced "disappearances" of victims, often followed by torture and murder. The mutilated bodies of victims (many of them labor leaders and political opponents) were dumped in ditches, on sidewalks and along roads.

In the next three decades the U.S. continued its war against communism in Guatemala and throughout Latin America, in supporting right wing military governments that openly violated human rights.
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